tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24170237.post3892597798071365308..comments2024-03-06T09:43:09.476+10:00Comments on The Old Foodie: Vine-Bud Potage.The Old Foodiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00766403052971301718noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24170237.post-86849237775808974832012-09-04T07:06:38.211+10:002012-09-04T07:06:38.211+10:00Hi Nancy and Deb. The more I think about it the mo...Hi Nancy and Deb. The more I think about it the more I think you may be right. There are other references in the book to treatments for the vomiting of pregnancy, so this seems to be a separate condition. Also - elsewhere in the book, thing to do with pregnancy specifically refer to 'women with child', or 'big-bellied women.'The Old Foodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00766403052971301718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24170237.post-76387299836131675642012-09-04T07:04:04.947+10:002012-09-04T07:04:04.947+10:00Hi Les. Thankyou for a very informative comment! I...Hi Les. Thankyou for a very informative comment! I have the same problem as you do with old dictionaries and encyclopaedias. Maybe there is a 12 step program for us?The Old Foodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00766403052971301718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24170237.post-12370255981551838682012-09-03T22:41:33.087+10:002012-09-03T22:41:33.087+10:00I agree with the sexual appetite theory. A very br...I agree with the sexual appetite theory. A very brief bit of research turned up 'The Disease of Virgins' (Chlorosis), a.k.a. 'Greensickness'. A 'Green sick' girl, from the time of Galen to the mid-Nineteenth Century, was a just-pubescent girl who betrayed her developing sexuality by strange food cravings-<br />Another tidbit- a sexually immature woman was often known as 'green' (i.e. unripe) 'fruit', in the plays of the time. Maybe feeding with green gooseberries and vine buds, and the confits of childhood 'last thing', was an attempt to return the victim to a pure and innocent state. The green sick young woman was held to be performing unnatural practices upon retiring for the night. In plain terms, masturbating.Deb Nelsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24170237.post-33684717833813605522012-09-03T12:19:22.228+10:002012-09-03T12:19:22.228+10:00The word depraved leads me to think we are talking...The word depraved leads me to think we are talking about sexual appetites, although perhaps country people would not have been as tetchy about this as were the urban Victorians who later sent women to the doctor to be, um, "massaged" whenever they were, um, overly nervous and irritable. No kidding.Nancyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04851990325188858710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24170237.post-57552279115474597982012-09-03T07:07:44.623+10:002012-09-03T07:07:44.623+10:00I think I would prefer Greek dolmas to stewed grap...I think I would prefer Greek dolmas to stewed grape leaves. <br /><br />I looked up depraved at the Lexicons of Early Modern English (http://leme.library.utoronto.ca) and found this:<br /><br />Depraved: wicked, vile, base<br />Explanations (Examples of use): <br /><br />Emetos, or Emesia, vomiting, a depraved motion of the stomach.<br /><br />Fames Canina, Boulimia, dogs appetite, when the appetite is depraved or offendeth in quantity or quality: in quantity when nourishment is required in greater quantity ...<br /><br />Singultus, sighing or sobbing: it signifies also a depraved motion of the stomack called the Hiccough by which it desires to expel somthing that's burdensome unto it. <br /><br />found in John de Renou's A Physical Dictionary published in 1657.<br /><br /><br />This is from Steven Blankaarts A Physical dictionary (1684):<br /><br />Bradypepsia is slow digestion, proceeding from a depraved disposition of the Acid ferment in the Stomach.<br /><br />Cholera is a depraved motion of the Ventricle and the Guts, whereby the Bilious Excrements are discharged in great plenty ... <br /><br /><br />I guess a depraved stomach would refer to any sort of gastric upset like morning sickness. I also would warn you about browsing the Early Modern Dictionary. The dictionaries at this site are fascinating so be careful browsing them. I don't know how many hours I've spent here looking up one word only to get side tracked at another entry.Lesnoreply@blogger.com