tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24170237.post2878944654264731669..comments2024-03-06T09:43:09.476+10:00Comments on The Old Foodie: The World According to Trophologists.The Old Foodiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00766403052971301718noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24170237.post-63700392659439229642015-06-18T06:59:09.554+10:002015-06-18T06:59:09.554+10:00I couldnt agree more, Torben Pasucha. My own "...I couldnt agree more, Torben Pasucha. My own "real job' is in medicine, so I have battled the freaky diets thing all my working life! This story is of course, a reflection of the era, but there are elements that are uncannily close to some modern claims (usually made by someone involved in the health food INDUSTRY.<br />The Old Foodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00766403052971301718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24170237.post-3499142595384308642015-06-16T23:50:12.754+10:002015-06-16T23:50:12.754+10:00The carbohydrates rules are hilarious! No carbohyd...The carbohydrates rules are hilarious! No carbohydrates with carbohydrates? No carbohydrates with sugar?<br /><br /><br />As far as the connection of nutrition with alkaline/acid homeostatis goes, it's complete baloney. The body has several methods to keep the pH level of its various parts within a strictly controlled range.<br />I refer you to chapter 2 of the contents of this webpage.<br />http://www.anaesthesiamcq.com/AcidBaseBook/ABindex.php<br /><br />Not eating mixed protein is in fact impossible. All living matter has a huge variety of different proteins that serve a huge variety of different purposes and thus have various properties, thus it is impossible toa void a mixture of proteins. It also doesn't matter. If it's denaturised, it's denaturised, and that's all the acid does to protein. It is only later actually broken down to resorbable parts by enzymes and probably some microbes in the gut/ microbiome.<br />If the human body was as frail as these alternative food non-scientists would have you believe, we wouldn't be around to study our digestion anymore.Torben Pasuchanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24170237.post-39113569412508119492012-10-25T12:35:59.585+10:002012-10-25T12:35:59.585+10:00I've been reading and studying on this for sev...I've been reading and studying on this for several years now, and have not actually put it into practice.<br /><br />That being said, the science of the matter is that when you eat starches (carbohydrates), they begin to digest in the mouth when you secrete alkaline gastric juices, the primary being ptyalin. On the other hand, proteins require an amount of acidity, and begin digestion directly in the stomach, and generally take longer to digest while the acid does its work. Different amounts of protein the meats require different amounts of acid, hence the rules about not eating mixed protein meals.<br /><br />I've read several books on this, the latest being The Tao of Health, Sex and Longevity, by Daniel Reid. Part of the information he presents was also in the book Food Combining Made Easy by Dr Herbert M Shelton. Which I also read previously.<br /><br />The case for (or against) Melons is that because of their composition, they are very easily assimilated by the body. They break down easy in chewing, and the stomach has very little work to process them, so they go almost directly into the small intestine, where they are absorbed. Now, should you eat anything on top of them or with them, it causes the stomach to hold the melon and either degrade its nutrients, or allow it to putrefy or ferment whilst the accompanying foods are being digested. <br /><br />It would be the same process as eating protein with starch. When you eat the starch, you begin to digest it during the chewing phase, and as soon as its in your stomach the alkaline solution keeps digesting. But as soon as you introduce protein, the saliva lessens or stops the flow of ptyalin, and the stomach starts gearing up acid production. The resulting stew is now a nuetral solution that isn't useful for a whole lot of any digesting. So while it does it's meager work, what isn't being processed begins to ferment/putrefy. Once that process begins, your large intestine begins to secrete a mucus enzyme to help protect itself from the decaying particles. After a long enough time of this going on, the mucus lining can begin to thicken and gel over some of the food that it is intended to protect itself from, and then you end up with the beginnings of a host of problems. Constipation being one of the first signs, then eventually perhaps diverticulosis and other intestinal malfunctions.<br /><br />I'm not saying all that to be fear mongering, it's just the reasoning laid out by the dozen or so different doctors I've read from in the past.<br /><br />Also, since I'm still reading the Tao of Health... Apparently, most of this knowledge was gathered and published over the span of the last 5,000 years in China, and Western medicine is only just catching up to it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02732824181827982844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24170237.post-299274249540298452012-10-25T12:35:34.765+10:002012-10-25T12:35:34.765+10:00I've been reading and studying on this for sev...I've been reading and studying on this for several years now, and have not actually put it into practice.<br /><br />That being said, the science of the matter is that when you eat starches (carbohydrates), they begin to digest in the mouth when you secrete alkaline gastric juices, the primary being ptyalin. On the other hand, proteins require an amount of acidity, and begin digestion directly in the stomach, and generally take longer to digest while the acid does its work. Different amounts of protein the meats require different amounts of acid, hence the rules about not eating mixed protein meals.<br /><br />I've read several books on this, the latest being The Tao of Health, Sex and Longevity, by Daniel Reid. Part of the information he presents was also in the book Food Combining Made Easy by Dr Herbert M Shelton. Which I also read previously.<br /><br />The case for (or against) Melons is that because of their composition, they are very easily assimilated by the body. They break down easy in chewing, and the stomach has very little work to process them, so they go almost directly into the small intestine, where they are absorbed. Now, should you eat anything on top of them or with them, it causes the stomach to hold the melon and either degrade its nutrients, or allow it to putrefy or ferment whilst the accompanying foods are being digested. <br /><br />It would be the same process as eating protein with starch. When you eat the starch, you begin to digest it during the chewing phase, and as soon as its in your stomach the alkaline solution keeps digesting. But as soon as you introduce protein, the saliva lessens or stops the flow of ptyalin, and the stomach starts gearing up acid production. The resulting stew is now a nuetral solution that isn't useful for a whole lot of any digesting. So while it does it's meager work, what isn't being processed begins to ferment/putrefy. Once that process begins, your large intestine begins to secrete a mucus enzyme to help protect itself from the decaying particles. After a long enough time of this going on, the mucus lining can begin to thicken and gel over some of the food that it is intended to protect itself from, and then you end up with the beginnings of a host of problems. Constipation being one of the first signs, then eventually perhaps diverticulosis and other intestinal malfunctions.<br /><br />I'm not saying all that to be fear mongering, it's just the reasoning laid out by the dozen or so different doctors I've read from in the past.<br /><br />Also, since I'm still reading the Tao of Health... Apparently, most of this knowledge was gathered and published over the span of the last 5,000 years in China, and Western medicine is only just catching up to it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02732824181827982844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24170237.post-74704193938877104212012-06-07T19:21:01.623+10:002012-06-07T19:21:01.623+10:00Thanks for your input into this interesting questi...Thanks for your input into this interesting question. I respectfully disagree with your views on the 'science' behind the beliefs however - as I understand it (from a scientific and medical background) this is a fairly superficial level of scientific explanation.<br />Still - who knows? Ongoing research in all fields means, I think, that we must keep open minds.The Old Foodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00766403052971301718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24170237.post-39809912745505219802012-06-07T11:05:05.319+10:002012-06-07T11:05:05.319+10:00I respect your opinion, but there is more science ...I respect your opinion, but there is more science to tropholohy than most people realize. It mainly has to do with the acid/alkaline pH balance in your stomach, and the function of the enzymes that break down food. Its taught in every basic Anatomy & Physiology class, yet strangely never applied. The enzymes that digest proteins, such as pepsin, can function only in an acidic solution, while the enzymes that digest starches, such as amylase, can function only in a more alkaline solution of gastric juices. The real problem occurs because when you eat foods that don't mix, well, neither nutrient ends up being digested well in the stomach, and this puts tremendous strain on all other organs along the digestive track. Proteins putrefy (rot), and starches & sugars ferment into alcohols, in your stomach and along your digestive tract. While it certainly won't kill you to eat a cheeseburger occasionally, just as it certainly wouldn't -kill- you to eat rotting meat with a few beers, it certainly doesn't do your body any good, and when this state of indigestion becomes chronic, health quickly deteriorates and your body suffers.<br /><br />That's my input. You can definitely formulate delicious meals that aren't problematic for digestion, and as well, you can really improve your digestion just be eating your foods in sequential order (ie melons and fruits first, than your starches with vegetables, than your proteins with vegetables) and this would allow each layer of food to pass into your intestines before rotting in your stomach. Just a few tips! Keep up the good work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com